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		<title>Comment on Back! by gilliebean</title>
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		<dc:creator>gilliebean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome back!</description>
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		<title>Comment on My Favorite Places to Write by T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You definitely should try to get to New York if you can. You&#039;ll either adore it or abhor it.

I have heard a lot of good things about artist retreats, but I&#039;m not sure if it would really be up my alley. Definitely something to check out, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You definitely should try to get to New York if you can. You&#8217;ll either adore it or abhor it.</p>
<p>I have heard a lot of good things about artist retreats, but I&#8217;m not sure if it would really be up my alley. Definitely something to check out, though.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Favorite Places to Write by gilliebean</title>
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		<dc:creator>gilliebean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, New York.  I&#039;ve heard so much about you but have not yet met you.  Someday.  

Another option is to find an artist retreat.  A few days in nature and quiet with others seeking solace can do wonders for the creative soul.  You know, if you&#039;re into that sort of thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, New York.  I&#8217;ve heard so much about you but have not yet met you.  Someday.  </p>
<p>Another option is to find an artist retreat.  A few days in nature and quiet with others seeking solace can do wonders for the creative soul.  You know, if you&#8217;re into that sort of thing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Finding Time to Write by Recent Links Tagged With "pound" - JabberTags</title>
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		<dc:creator>Recent Links Tagged With "pound" - JabberTags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Writing to Direct by gilliebean</title>
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		<dc:creator>gilliebean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good point about the visual thing.  Smart. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good point about the visual thing.  Smart. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Diablo Cody is My Hero (for being a BAMF) by Tristan Hutchinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tristan Hutchinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey thanks for visiting my blog, and for the comment.  yeah, a lot fo what I do tends to be these simple intuitive pieces that kinda stand alone.

Anyway, keep posted and keep up the good stuff with your blog.

Tris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey thanks for visiting my blog, and for the comment.  yeah, a lot fo what I do tends to be these simple intuitive pieces that kinda stand alone.</p>
<p>Anyway, keep posted and keep up the good stuff with your blog.</p>
<p>Tris.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Writing to Direct by T.</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gilliebean: I think scripts for film and scripts for plays have very different function. A play&#039;s script is dependent almost entirely on dialogue (at least traditionally). If you change the words even in the slightest, it becomes an entirely different play. A film is so visually-driven, however, there is a lot more room to interpret what goes on the screen and dialog often takes a back seat to body language and shot composition.

In my case, the extent to which I &quot;throw out&quot; the script is very limited, and I&#039;m only that liberal with actors whose trust I already have from past projects. I definitely understand how that can sometimes seem flaky, though, and that&#039;s just another thing I&#039;m going to have to find a balance for as I grow as a filmmaker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gilliebean: I think scripts for film and scripts for plays have very different function. A play&#8217;s script is dependent almost entirely on dialogue (at least traditionally). If you change the words even in the slightest, it becomes an entirely different play. A film is so visually-driven, however, there is a lot more room to interpret what goes on the screen and dialog often takes a back seat to body language and shot composition.</p>
<p>In my case, the extent to which I &#8220;throw out&#8221; the script is very limited, and I&#8217;m only that liberal with actors whose trust I already have from past projects. I definitely understand how that can sometimes seem flaky, though, and that&#8217;s just another thing I&#8217;m going to have to find a balance for as I grow as a filmmaker.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Writing to Direct by T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! I&#039;ll definitely check it out... I actually was watching a preview for &quot;Ballast&quot; (I think at the Film Forum?) the other day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! I&#8217;ll definitely check it out&#8230; I actually was watching a preview for &#8220;Ballast&#8221; (I think at the Film Forum?) the other day.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Writing to Direct by Tristan Hutchinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tristan Hutchinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey, like your article.  You should look into Lance Hammer, he directed &#039;Ballast&#039;, a film about a family dealing with suicide in the Mississippi Delta.  Beautiful film, but there is an article about how he storyboarded with his cinematographer for a while, but after three months of rehearsals with his (mainly non professional) actors, he threw it all out and let his actors develop non-committed to the script in a really fluid and organic way.  There is a link to Lance Hammer on my blog.

Anyway, best of luck in the future.

Tris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, like your article.  You should look into Lance Hammer, he directed &#8216;Ballast&#8217;, a film about a family dealing with suicide in the Mississippi Delta.  Beautiful film, but there is an article about how he storyboarded with his cinematographer for a while, but after three months of rehearsals with his (mainly non professional) actors, he threw it all out and let his actors develop non-committed to the script in a really fluid and organic way.  There is a link to Lance Hammer on my blog.</p>
<p>Anyway, best of luck in the future.</p>
<p>Tris</p>
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		<title>Comment on Writing to Direct by gilliebean</title>
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		<dc:creator>gilliebean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 14:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree in part; but mostly because I come from theatre.  In theatre, it&#039;s illegal to change any words in a copyrighted stage play when it&#039;s professionally produced in the USA or Canada.  

You should separate the two; but when you&#039;re a director it absolutely *does* matter what the writer was trying to write, whoever the writer is!

The film director needs to be a writer in his or her own right.  And, as is normal, do a &quot;director&#039;s pass&quot; on the script before it reaches production.  Then, ideally, if a strong script has been written, most lines will remain intact even with excellent improv actors.  Because the work has been done.  

Some scripts *are* meant to be &#039;improved&#039; and sometimes that works; but I think it only works with a certain genre or tone.  It doesn&#039;t work with every story.  

I absolutely agree that you, as a writer, should write the script as if someone you don&#039;t know is going to direct it - to wit, write like a writer; but if you throw out the script you&#039;ve written when you begin the directing process, I would expect that your actors won&#039;t trust you as a writer.  It shows you don&#039;t know why you&#039;ve written the lines you&#039;ve written.  I mean, by all means, be open to a better suggestion here or there, but trust your work as a writer!  If you ever want to direct other people&#039;s work, you&#039;d best learn this now.  Otherwise, no writer will ever want you attached to their property.

For what it&#039;s worth, I consider myself both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree in part; but mostly because I come from theatre.  In theatre, it&#8217;s illegal to change any words in a copyrighted stage play when it&#8217;s professionally produced in the USA or Canada.  </p>
<p>You should separate the two; but when you&#8217;re a director it absolutely *does* matter what the writer was trying to write, whoever the writer is!</p>
<p>The film director needs to be a writer in his or her own right.  And, as is normal, do a &#8220;director&#8217;s pass&#8221; on the script before it reaches production.  Then, ideally, if a strong script has been written, most lines will remain intact even with excellent improv actors.  Because the work has been done.  </p>
<p>Some scripts *are* meant to be &#8216;improved&#8217; and sometimes that works; but I think it only works with a certain genre or tone.  It doesn&#8217;t work with every story.  </p>
<p>I absolutely agree that you, as a writer, should write the script as if someone you don&#8217;t know is going to direct it &#8211; to wit, write like a writer; but if you throw out the script you&#8217;ve written when you begin the directing process, I would expect that your actors won&#8217;t trust you as a writer.  It shows you don&#8217;t know why you&#8217;ve written the lines you&#8217;ve written.  I mean, by all means, be open to a better suggestion here or there, but trust your work as a writer!  If you ever want to direct other people&#8217;s work, you&#8217;d best learn this now.  Otherwise, no writer will ever want you attached to their property.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I consider myself both.</p>
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